Student migration a concern for BOE candidates
by Colton Campbell/Times-Georgian
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When asking the Carroll County Board of Education candidates about student migration at a candidate forum last month, Tommy Greer said it was a “statistical fact” that students were leaving the county school system to attend Bremen and Carrollton schools.

None of the candidates denied the fact, but most had different ideas on how to reverse the trend.

“The bottom line is that they go to those schools because of athletics, not academics,” said District 1 candidate Rob Cleveland, who is running against incumbent Bernice Brooks and challenger Terry Turner in the nonpartisan election. “They’ll tell you they go because of academics because it sounds more credible. But they want to play at Carrollton.”

Cleveland said parents choose to send their children to Bremen City Schools because of the probability their children will play in sports.

“They think they will have a better chance to play at Bremen,” he said. “Bremen does not have a lot of athletes. They have good kids who play hard, but parents want their kids on the field or the court.”

Though Cleveland stressed that athletics is the driving force behind the exodus, District 3 candidate Robert Pinckney was adamant that academics is the primary reason.

“You cannot tell me that every child who’s left Carroll County Schools to go to Bremen or Carrollton is because of athletics,” said Pinckney, a former Long Island, N.Y., superintendent who challenging incumbent Chris Gammon. “They left because they felt, rightly or wrongly, that their children were not receiving the level of quality of education that they could get in other institutions.”

Pinckney said he would suggest to the superintendent a “come-to-Jesus” meeting between the BOE and community parents, in which the board would examine why students are leaving the system.

“We have to engage the entire community to find a reason why,” Pinckney said. “Let’s engage them on what we can do to improve the educational product we put out.

“Education is not a game,” Pinckney said.

Turner, the District 1 candidate, agreed with Pinckney, saying athletics are part of parents’ decisions, but it is not the main reason.

“When I was running for mayor, I talked to a lot of people about their kids’ education, and they said their kids go to Carrollton,” he said. “They told me it was to give them a better education, and, yes, sports.”

Turner said it is “common sense” that if the system will “become the best,” they will “be the best.”

“We have to start in the classroom,” he said. “You educate these kids and make them smarter, you will see a change. If we build our education system, people will come back in.”

Turner quoted the 1989 film “Field of Dreams,” saying, “Like the movie says, ‘If you build it, they will come.’”

Brooks said students’ reasons for migrating to city schools are more practical.

“I understand that a majority of these students have parents who work in the Carrollton area,” Brooks said. “So they enroll them there so they can reach them if there’s a problem. Some just want to be home-schooled.”

County schools are not able to provide the extracurricular activities the city schools can offer, as well as aesthetically pleasing facilities, Brooks said.

“What we’re planning to do is provide as many extracurriculars as Carrollton so we can draw these students back into our system,” she said. “Also, I’ve heard that people pass right by Sand Hill Elementary because it’s not aesthetically beautiful, so that’s another thing we’re working on.”

Gammon said he appreciates the competitive environment the county school system is in — that it helps the system improve.

“If we don’t improve in this competitive area, we fall flat,” Gammon said. “Competition is part of society, and it helps us grow by pushing others up.”

Gammon cited the county system’s perception and how that has influenced attendance.

“If you look at the high-performing students, they’re right there with the city schools,” he said. “We have to make sure perception and reality is the same. We have to grow and give students adequate resources to compete in every way.”

“The ones that go to Carrollton are going for the facilities and the tradition,” Cleveland said. “The ones who go to Bremen are going because they can play there.”

In a June 21 county Board of Education meeting of the BOE, Chairman Dr. Jon Anderson gave a few central office employees the task of creating a survey to find out why students leave the school system.

Anderson asked Superintendent Scott Cowart, Assistant Superintendent of Teaching and Learning Stan Davis and Assistant Superintendent of Administrative and Student Services Dr. Christie Johnson to collaborate and formulate the survey.

“We’ve got between 1,500 and 1,600 students who have left our schools for whatever reason last year,” Anderson said. “That’s 10 percent of our system population. That’s a statement on our quality perception.”

In the District 1 election, voters will decide among incumbent Brooks, Cleveland and Turner. Vying in the District 3 election are incumbent Gammon and Pinckney.

Voting starts at 7 a.m. July 31.
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Mrs.Vee
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July 07, 2012
I need to know when the next meeting is so that I can voice my opinion and my experiences in person not on this blog! My only thing for this blog is to say I am so happy that I only had one child to attend Carroll County Schools and that was the biggest mistake we could have ever made. There need to be a complete overhaul and it should not start with the school board.
itellthethruth
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July 08, 2012
Mrs. Vee,

I say start with the board first. Without eliminating the bad decision makers it makes no difference. The biggest problem I see is the board members enabling the Scott "Jethro" Cowart and his good'ole boy system. I think we have good "school" staff. Minus the "special" hires. The administrative staff needs to be gutted. From Jethro Cowart,David Golberg down to the Director of Special Education Christie Teal. The reason I say that is simply because if you look at Open.Georgia.gov you'd see where the budget needs cutting. All these postions, including their "assistants" make a "Six figure" salary or right at it. So I say gut the whole BOE and their administrators.
lent
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July 06, 2012
Flowergirl, I can and do agree with all of your last post. I think if the teachers were given back the control of their classrooms with these unruly kids we would see a great change. I totally agree that the problem with the children start at home with the parents. My children are not angels and get plenty of punishment when they get out of line. I totally agree with you about disrespect. That is one thing I will not put up with and my children know it. I agree that the admin needs to do right by those working in the trenches. That is what I meant by "waste" the BOE and admin are the ones who waste. We could pay the true educators what they deserve if the admin would stop all the wasteful spending and keeping the money for themselves. I have no problem with a teacher making great money for they really do deserve it and if they don't then they should be gotten rid of.

I think you were just not sure where I was coming from in my earlier post. It was not against the true teachers and thankfully we have had many for our younger children. So I actually think we are on the same page here now.
itellthethruth
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July 07, 2012
Listen guys,

The only person that is really concerned with student migration is Scott 'Jethro" Cowart. And the only ones he worries about is the ATHLETE migrations. That's all he ever worries about. He's rather keep a coach that can't teach than an outstanding math teacher. They should have cut his job and kept three to five teaching positions. He couldn't coach and now he can't lead.
flowergirl1969
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July 06, 2012
@ lent. no the problem with the school system is the parents. Yea the paremts. They send their lil angels to school to be baby sat. Free rides free lunch free daycare free breakfast. No respect no manners never being put in their places when they show dis respect. When a teacher has those kids in their room all the other kids are at a dis advantage. Their time is wasted because of the attn having to be given to the unruly spoiled can't do no wrong children. It is easier for the teacher. Who in my opinion is Wrong. To just send them to the office. Then they don't have to deal with them. But the good ones won't do that. They keep them in the room and try to make them understand and learn. You are exactly right when you say the teacher has no business sharing any personal life experiences with these students. Why would they ever do that? And if you witnessed that you need to bring that to everyones attn. But don't lump the entire group of educators in to one category. ..... If you and your spouse have volunteered. I salute you. you are one of the very few who do. Most sit on their butts and shove these bad behaving kids off on someone else to control and then bitch about the way they have to deal with them. The educator is a dying breed. They deserve better than they get from the school board. Administrators and mainly the parents. As far as the teachers being out of the class rooms. what I meant was that they have no choices in the matter of field trips. Meetings set up by the supt. or the administration. They have to attend. And then they have the silly leadership meetings. Where some high horse snooty person with 3 years experiance is assigned a leadership role when some one who was teaching before they were even born is much more qualified. they are assigned by the administrators. I will defend the educator every time. And if you have been reading my posts as you say you have. then you know how i feel about Cowart Denney and the entire board and board office. Enough said about that. Pay these people what they deserve. Don't furlough them. And leave their bebefits alone. They have earned all of them.
lent
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July 06, 2012
Oh yes, I read these post on here all the time and I forgot that flowergirl1969 attacks everyone who has a difference of opinion with her. Also she may want to not read into everything with her own interpretation of "her facts".

I never said they have a say in the meetings that was aimed that the admin of the system. Their personal agendas was aimed at just that "their personal lives" and how they live them outside school. I don't need my children knowing all about that. They need to teach and not try to be the children's friends and talk about what they do outside the classroom. So get your facts straight! And I didn't say every school or every teacher. I can just go by what I see at the school mine attend. We have had some very good teachers. If you had actually read what was written, you would have seen that we have been happy with the elementary school.

Not that my job has anything to do with the subject at hand, but since you brought it up and "attacked" me then let me clarify. I am in that very situation. I work daily with unappreciative people and try to make their day and even lives better. It has been years since I have gotten a raise and I have lost benefits since I began my employment over 16 years ago. So now who is talking flowergirl1969? And while we are on your attacks: I have been at the school as a volunteer on several occasions. My spouse is often there as well. The other parents I mentioned are there too.

A little friendly advice "flower" next time just post your opinion on the article and subject at hand. You don't have to put words in others' mouths. You don't have to tear anyone's opinion up by calling them out to state your own. We can read it and even respect it as your opinion. As my mom says: "Opinions or like arse holes, everyone has one." Most on here probably know by now that you like drama and try to start it on here all the time.

This article was about why people are leaving the system and I stated the reasons that I am aware. I did not mean it as an attack on the great teachers. To "hopefully" end on a positive note, I do agree that there are still some good teachers because they are real teachers. They should be taken care of and rewarded for their hard work.
Z93
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July 06, 2012
Great post Lent...
flowergirl1969
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July 06, 2012
I agree with some of what is being said here. But Lent, you are so off base it silly. The teachers have no say in being called away or sent to meetings. And what personal agendas are you talking about? They teach what they are told to teach. They don't teach anything they want.

Most of those teachers are good as gold. Some are not. I know teachers that get there early and leave late every day. Then take work home with them and work at night. And on the weekends. All because they care about those kids.

Some teach when the need to be out for medical reasons. I know of a teacher at Sharp Creeke that stayed til the end of the year. In the classroom. Would not take off. Beacuse of a Doctor ordered diagnosis that could cost her the use of her legs. She is a very well respected. And sought after teacher. She came from Carrollton. She has been teaching for 26 years. She has been requested by parents, teachers, and so on. To teach their children. So don't tell me they have their own agenda. Get your facts straight. Before you start criticizing the TEACHERS. They do the best they can what they have yo work with. How long would you LENT work at your job in order to make unappreciative people happy? If your pay kept being cut. And your bebefits decreased. And all the evenings and weekend work they carry home. All for less and less money. HOW LONG WOULD YOU WORK FOR SOMEONE LIKE THAT? Under those conditions. And BTW, how many times have you as a parent ever went to one of the schools and volunteered to help even for one day???? EVER?????
hotlanta
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July 06, 2012
It only took me one experience with Central Elementary Teachers and administrators to know that I would walk through hell before I say my children back in those schools. Not all Carroll County Schools are bad because my children now go to Roopville where class sizes are smaller and the teachers are more involved. When my children age out of Roopville, they will either be home schooled, go to private school or go to Carrollton. This decision has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with athletics. The teachers and administrators at Central are satisfied with mediocrity and doing only enough to get by. They place their focus on the children who are struggling which forces the children who are more advanced to regress to the level at which the struggling students are being taught. I want my children to excel, not be caught up in this universal mentality of "everybody deserves a trophy" which Central seems to celebrate. I want and expect more for my children. If they want to play sports, that's fine. But my primary focus is on their academic future, not banking on the one in a million chance that they will make it in the NBA, MLB or NFL.
Concerned_M
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July 06, 2012
I also do not agree that it is only athletics. Yes, some of it is, especially at Carrollton. But, I know a lot of people that send their kids to Carrollton because of their fine arts programs and their technology. They simply offer more for their students. I sent all my kids to Bremen for academics, pure and simple. They are a school that achieves. It was send them there or to Temple schools. Temple high school has been in the bottom 5% of Georgia schools. Yes, Temple schools are getting better but I didn't want my kids to suffer in the meantime. These are not decisions that come easily to most parents.

To say it is only athletics is simply not the case. Carroll County schools has a bad reputation. From the constantly bickering getting nothing done board, to the greedy, hire all his friends and focus on ONE school Superintendent, this is one dysfunctional county and everybody knows it.
lent
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July 06, 2012
I don't agree that it is athletics, maybe for some, Mine attended Bremen for Pre-K because the Carroll program was full. We did bring them back for K-?. We have been happy with elementary, however, we do not intend on them attended middle or high in the current district we are in. We get no warm, fuzzy feeling about any of the other Carroll middle or high schools either so we are considering moving them to another system all together. We are not the only parents considering this as we know of several other parents with the same plans.

They all state that they have no confidence in the middle and high schools. We are all concerned about academics, not athletics as none of us are "sports" people. We see the problems with a lot of the teachers in that they push their own agendas on the students rather than just teach. I don't need the teachers to be my children's friends, I need them to teach. My children don't need to know anything about the teacher and his/her personal life outside school. Teach, Teach, Teach is all they need to do. The teachers are always out of class, attending "meetings", shopping, fieldtrips with other schools or classes, etc. Two years ago one teacher missed 6 instruction days, another missed 8 all in the first six weeks of school. If attendance is important for the students, then why not the teachers? The other parents I have talked with are tired of the above reasons and all the waste that the Carroll System has. I think if you clean up the waste, the "bad" attitudes, attendance, and personal agendas/lives on display of the teachers then you might see people stay or even come back. Until then you will continue to see an exodus. Like I said I know of 5 maybe more planning to leave next year and that is just in one grade and among a small group of parents I know.
fallguy86
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July 06, 2012
My child has attended a county school since K. My wife and I are weighing our alternatives for middle and high school. It is because of academics not athletics. My child has no interest in athletics. However, since 1st grade my child has been focused on academics. This is in part due to encouragement from us. We have always been involved in the academics, parent-teacher conferences and school activites. My child is expected to achieve. One of the reasons we are considering a change is because of the lack of academic challenges in the county schools for our child. We went through this with our first child and we will not travel the same road this time. When my first child was in 2nd grade I had a meeting with the school administration and then the county administration. I did not get satisfaction either place but was told that was the way it was and I had to deal with it. NOT AGAIN!
Z93
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July 06, 2012
Maybe they need to sell more timber in order to get some coaches more raises.

Or, maybe the board and especially this superintendent should concentrate on academics and let each school worry about their athletic programs.

treeshaka
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July 06, 2012
Just look at how many times Central has failed to make ayp verses Carrollton and Bremen. For Rob Cleveland to say county students transfer only for athletic reason is crazy. I suggest Mr. Cleveland take a look at the requirements for out of district students trying to get in Bremen schools. With that said, Bremen has always had a great athletic program. And one of the reasons is because they allow students to transfer there that not only have athletic skills, but are great academically also.
upsetwithCCBOE
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July 16, 2012
Cowart needs to go the way of Brooks. He has done absolutely nothing to help the school system. He has helped and initiated budget cuts against teachers all while following his own agenda of improving sports in Carroll County. Prior to the 2011/2012 school year he gave head coaches and athletic directors an increase in their stipend that cost the school system over a million dollars, yet there were teaching and paraprofessional cuts made for that school year. When did the emphasis go away from learning and more towards athletics? It is not just Cowart but quite a few of the impotent people that are running the Carroll County School System. Where do you send an administrator that cannot do their job? Why no where except for the county office. Yet who suffers from budget cuts? The teachers, parapros, and other support staff. It takes 4 teachers or 10 parapros salaries to equal Scott Cowarts salary. Really, and this is just one example of how grossly overpaid the people are at central office. I have absolutely no respect for the Carroll County School System or Scott Cowart. When a superintendent will allow a principal, who is inept in his or her job, to make decisions as to which employees contracts will not be renewed; giving no consideration to qualifications, seniority, or skill. It all boils down to a popularity contest. This is an amendment that Brooks supported as well. Or because the county has suffered such horrible cuts in support staff and teachers, that a teacher is placed in a computer lab because there is not longer money for that subject to be taught in a face-to-face environment; the teacher is given crappy outdated computers that don't work half the time, students who have difficulty in a normal learning environment, more students than computers, and is required to have a seating chart. Not just any seating chart but a magical one that any time the principal enters the room the students will be exactly where they are written on the piece of paper. Anyone else see a problem with this, 15 computers and 30 kids. HOW do you make it work? A teachers contract can not be renewed because she doesn't have a working seating charts for an impossible learning environment, really. What wonderful people we have working in the administrative and county office positions. It is time for a change in the ways that the CCBOE is being run, our children, our future is at stake and it is time that the people in this county quit allowing all of this nonsense to happen without their knowledge. All of these underhanded and corrupt policies need to be eradicated as well as Bernice, Cowart, and more than half of the idiots working at the county office.